Ex-CIA Director EXPOSES the Deep State

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Unknown
They want to regulate social media because it lets people grassroots promote themselves in races. Played NBA two K in his mom's basement. Now is the household that they want to have control over that. Because if you can control the people see and listen to, then you can put the screws to them that only say the approve thing. The fact that we're now in the Wild West.

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Unknown
It freaks these people out because they don't have the chance to regulate you, blackmail you, and tell you how to play ball. No casting couch anymore. Just internet connection. And we have very different viewpoints on many things. But a lot of these issues are American issues. They're not Republican or Democrat issues.

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Unknown
Last night we had some late breaking news about Trump, 47 appointments, and I don't think I could be any more excited about it. John. First, he announced that John Ratcliffe, formerly his director of National intelligence, the top dog of the intelligence world. He is going to be serving as the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Really cool, because he was a central figure who was responsible for investigating foreign influence in the 2020 election.

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Unknown
He wrote reports about it. In fact, he said that he didn't agree with the intelligence community's assessment of 2020, and he said that China was more involved than what they represented. So that's really cool to put him at the top of the CIA. The other one that I really, really like is a joint appointment for the Department of Government Efficiency, also known as Doge.

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Unknown
And it is official, John Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will be chairing that department. What do you think about that, dude? I think those are two of the brightest, young, creative minds that we have. No B.S. guys with a proven track record, how could you go wrong? Also, shout out to Long Island boy Lee Zeldin getting in there.

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Unknown
Yes, yes, he had a remarkable track record in the in the run up to the 2024 election. I guess he was 2022, a near loss. He had, he made it way closer than people anticipated on the island and in New York for sure. Yeah. I mean, well, as you look at the voting numbers, the blue states and blue cities have been turning more and more red, which is what we saw more overarching Lee in this entire election.

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Unknown
But frankly, I love it. I love to see this dream team, you know, the Avengers, as they've been calling it, that Donald Trump has put together throughout these four years and garnering all this support through these outsiders. And now to win the election and put it all into effect is like, whoa, what has he built here? This could be something crazy.

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Unknown
And actually, now we've got that out of the way. That leads me to the topic for today, John. And that's about building right. And staying productive and figuring out how to continue to create, create, create in this creator economy. So what have you been working on lately? John, what do you want to share with the people here?

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Unknown
So I think when I come out here, people know that I'm a writer. Keep a Substack. John. Small island, we've been growing, really thanks to you. Pushed me to get more active on Twitter or whatever we call it these days. But it's getting good to flex my creative muscle on there and write about how I see things. In fact, I was going through it and I was eating dinner just now.

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Unknown
We've grown some more, so I like that. And I do like to think I have unique perspective on how I see this world and how things tie in, and how you can be actionable in this changing environment. And that's what I write about. I think while we do have a bit of a Partizan side here, I think from a bi Partizan, no Partizan.

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Unknown
However, I'd like to say it perspectives where I write about is tangible and can help you, and certainly with what's going on last week when a lot more material and things are looking really good. Awesome, man. Well, I know that you, you and me, we have a personal relationship. Of course, we went to college together with Mike as well, and that's how we know each other.

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Unknown
But I've always thought you were an awesome writer. And I really do encourage. If you're listening to this podcast, go check out, John from Long Island on Substack and also his X page, because you will find that. And John, please correct me if I'm wrong or set the record straight. You know, we go way back. So I'm kind of allowed to say these kind of things.

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Unknown
And maybe, maybe you can tell me that I'm right or wrong. You know, you definitely have the Alpha male, persona in that you hit the gym, you eat right, you don't really care what people say. And those are all things that I admire about you. I appreciate the same time you bring that kind of masculine energy, but you couple it with this kind of interesting perspective on the world and how things work.

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Unknown
And actually, sometimes we even delve into numerous G and astrology. Could could you talk a little bit about that? I absolutely can listen. I always say that things stand the test of time for a reason. Right? And you know, I love you. I cringe at the phrase alpha male. I just like to think that I have a healthy embodiment of masculinity that I think I'm pretty at home with, because I think what what we see from various influencers not going to name names, but you conjure up certain images and you're having you hear alpha male, right?

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Unknown
Like, I should be smoking a cigar and yelling at people or whatever it may be, but I just think I'm a healthy expression, masculine. And that comes from getting knocked down like a thousand times, a thousand times and getting back up. And what I write about, it's not to be preachy, but it's things that work. So we want to, like, veer into the spiritual realm.

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Unknown
These are all things that work. Now. We have a common best friend, a common good friend besides Mike. It's digital. It's ChatGPT. You go on to ChatGPT today. Well, let me tell you something. You own a ChatGPT today. Anyone who watches this, you put in your birthday, you tell me. Tell me my life past number and tell me positive and negative traits about myself.

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Unknown
And it's going to spit something back and you're going to be like, wow, this is absolutely spot on. And then you can go further than that. All right. ChatGPT carves out a life path or a plan for someone with my traits. What do you think I would excel in? What's my dream life look like? What is my my anti dream life look like?

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Unknown
My nightmare cube for instance. I asked ChatGPT this and it said and obviously it doesn't go gratuitous, right? Doesn't say you locked up in federal prison. Obviously that's the worst case scenario. You know, one of you. But it said essentially living in a basement apartment, working a job where there's no creative input, there's no impact in the world.

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Unknown
You don't see people, oh my, oh my God, this is my nightmare. I mean, some people out there find similar computer crunch numbers all day. It's. No, hey, that's just not me. Yeah. So, so and again, it's like when you see gender roles or you see hunting practices or whatever it was that stood the test of time for thousands of years.

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Unknown
Right. But the Aztecs never met the Ming dynasty, but they all had the same roles in their society. All did the same thing. They weren't interconnected. There was no internet. All of these things and different civilizations, different epochs, different time periods stood the test of time. Because there's pragmatism, it works. I think that's a very fair statement. I was going to caution you don't go much further.

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Unknown
We have a very esteemed anthropologist coming on next week, so I won't step on toes. He knows literally talking about the Aztecs on the Incas. All right. I don't maybe they'll delve into other ways, but no, you're right. And it is cool the way that people are robust and people are adaptable and the same way that they did it in China, they did it in Central and South America.

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Unknown
You know, as early humans. And they came to the same kind of, civilization and global economy that we have today. But no, I think, I've always been turned off by kind of this spiritual stuff. I've always been turned off by horoscopes and astrology, and my honest opinion has been, and I don't know anything about numerology, just the name of it.

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Unknown
And what you've kind of shared with me. But the truth is, I've always felt that it was a little bit too general for me. And whenever I read a horoscope or if I'm with a group of people like, oh, well, I'm the Libra or I'm the Capricorn, you know, it's like I could find a way to make this apply to myself if I so choose.

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Unknown
Do you ever find that, or do you really choose to kind of buy into it? No judgment, honestly, because I know I, I will speak to you honestly. I think that numerology supersedes all else. Numerology is far more powerful and far more accurate. I've noticed in my life, in the lives of others than classic Western astrology, right?

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Unknown
There are Libras that don't act like Libras. Good for them. There are Capricorns that don't act like Capricorns. I've never met a one life path that wasn't a one life bad. I never met a five life past like you. That wasn't a five life best. Then it certainly adds up. And then let's get real woo woo here okay, 28 number of wealth I won't get into why.

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Unknown
Just know that it is you. Look at a Rolex and you Google Rolex out in the day. Day. What time is it got? It's not wrong. I love this thing. Anyway it's got a 28 on it. Apple add up the day apple is found. Add up the day Samsung was found. In. What day was Elon Musk born?

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Unknown
What day was Bill gates born? 28. It's not a mistake. It's not actually. You can laugh with the commonality. It's not a mistake. But, so I watched the Terrence Howard episode of Joe Rogan where he was talking about his one plus one equals one, and it was like, you know, it was interesting because I like it when people kind of go on these stream of consciousness tangents and they just keep saying idea after idea.

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Unknown
And it's a lot of people get lost. And I tend to have that kind of non-linear thinking where I can actually keep up with somebody like that. But what they kind of explained, and he actually had a follow up interview on Rogan with, Eric Weinstein, who's, I guess, a mathematician in some way. But yeah, they he kind of pointed to this theory.

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Unknown
And maybe you've heard of it because I'm going to butcher it, obviously, but it was something along the lines of like, oh, these magic numbers of the magic number eight or whatever it is in the universe. And he basically explains that the way that math works, you can kind of manipulate the numbers to push forward any kind of solution you want.

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Unknown
And these magic numbers are kind of found as those magic numbers, because they kind of can be strong armed into any equation. Now, to make that maybe make sense. It's like you have this one size fits all and you can kind of be clumped into these buckets. And I don't know if there's anything that's delineated. I mean, right, 28 and 28 okay.

00:10:01:09 - 00:10:20:00
Unknown
For example, what would be Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos? I don't know if they have anything to do with 28. You know, we we almost arbitrarily pick Apple and Samsung. So I don't know that I fully buy into it, but you said I was a life path. Five. What exactly does that mean? Let's have five adventures. Okay, but what do you say?

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Unknown
That you're adventurous. I'm a one. I'm a loner. So we have not every trait doesn't lend itself strictly to one number. And then there's delineations, right? There's what number you use to get one. You know, you can be I, you know, I don't know all of them off the top of my head, but there's different ways. Like a 37 one.

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Unknown
Great. Because three plus seven, ten one plus zero is one. But then there's the 28 one that you can be. And that's where I got oh, I got the three machinations on the two. I'm not going to sit here to argue with world class mathematicians. Do they know more than I do? I was never the numbers guy. I'm a writer.

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Unknown
We just said that. That being said, you can manipulate the numbers to say whatever you want. Can you change the day you're born? Yeah. Unless you're one of those kids. A Little League World Series, 12. But other than that, you really can't, you know? And the one thing I want to say really quick about the spirituality stuff, and this is something where I try to emanate what I want to see in the world, I'd be the change was seeing the world sounds corny, but it's true.

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Unknown
This goes back to the last time you, me, and I smoked and I sat in this very room talking about things being coded that you can't view life politically or certain way, and being through strategy and numerology and spirituality and grounding and meditation and things like this. And then you can't be. Mike was talking in our group chat.

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Unknown
Mike is very on the left about organic foods and the right way to eat and things like that, where if you go on Twitter, that's very much right wing. I have much I hate the term, it's coded and what I'm trying to do is like, all right, we've had the division, we've had the contentious elections. If you want to borrow from here from the left side, think something they do lifestyle wise is great.

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Unknown
You take it you want something from ours, you take it you don't hate. And you can also gain inspiration from these people. Dude, one of my favorite people on subsets lmao. What do you think? Shit, I agree with you. Look this is glam. She writes off pins. It's fantastic. I think it's really good. But like what would she that I have in common?

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Unknown
She'd probably cry. I've heard me talk for more than five minutes, but I think her Substack is phenomenal and is creative. And I go on it and I study and she's got an eye. That's what I'm trying to remove that barrier. Look. We're done. What happened, happened. That's all progress. But what can we take from everybody else? It's no different than a scouting report.

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Unknown
Essentially, it's a scouting report for life. You know, if you're a pitcher, like, weird guy throws a curveball, but he throws an 85 mile an hour fastball. It sucks. Just cause you wanna throw his curveball doesn't. You're. Your fastball has got to be shit. You know? Just borrow what you want, then look at something that throws a good fastball.

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Unknown
Add that to your repertoire. Yeah, yeah, well, I know that that was a bright girl. I've Super Bowl of her. Social media postings. Never her articles, but maybe I'll shoot it out. You know, I, I joke because I definitely am non spiritual and I get a lot of flak for that being conservative because I'm not religious either.

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Unknown
And, you know, we have a son. He's 13 months. He hasn't been baptized. Religious wing of the family in the in-laws is freaking out. All right, dude, but that's okay. No, exactly. But my. So is this. Is that what I see as a benefit of religion or a faith is is actually that second word? More so.

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Unknown
And a lot of people, I think, really believe and subscribe to the Bible heavily, but I think a lot of people also say, hey, this is a fantastical story, and that's okay, because it has a lot of great messages and teachings in it. And I think that's probably more of the ilk of what I am. And I'm going to be judicious here and say that I actually appreciate numerology, from what you've shown me in that way, in that it kind of gives you a path, right?

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Unknown
It's it's a little cliche that they call your life path number, but at the same time, if it gives you something that you're able to center yourself on, something that you're able to use to motivate yourself were used to bring forward your own positive attributes, then that's absolutely a good thing. And correct me if I'm wrong, there's probably not very many life paths that are necessarily negative, because I would think that if there were someone who's like, oh, let me add up my birthday to get my number, if it was something that was not a negative number, but if it was something that was like a not a positive attribute, that would probably be very

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Unknown
shocking for that person. They all have positive and negative traits, man, you gotta be at home with that. Yeah, they're all positive traits. Like I'm a one. I have a tendency to be a loner and to be hard at it. I would say, but I say both are true. Fives are promiscuous. I don't, I get into that.

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Unknown
I don't want to get into that. But five is number of promiscuity. So there are odds and ends to it. So they say in numerology I'm not an expert. There are numerology. It's on Twitter that are brilliant. So the stuff I'm not claiming, I'm like Gary Greenberg, who's the father of this stuff, I'm not like on his level.

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Unknown
I'm not trying to say that I just read this stuff and study it. But they do say in the numerology community that millionaires don't use this stuff, but billionaires do, which is funny because I saw an excerpt. It's not numerology, but it's in the same vein. You know. Bill Ackman. Yes. Yeah. Blogging Pershing Square Capital. He just came out with some an excerpt that he thinks people's names can tell you what you can use.

00:15:07:01 - 00:15:22:20
Unknown
Like I just look at people's names I kind of make words or whatever. Like I'm Bill Ackman I, I acquire things like simple like that. He had example that escapes you right now. I mean if you find the excerpt you can put it up. Okay. I looked at something like a body in Abbot, a leader of a monastery, a leader of a group.

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Unknown
Okay, sure. That was interesting. It was. It was never even called a leadership. I. Cooper I don't really know what. Like what? Maybe a Cooper's a job or something. It sounds like there's a Cooper is a barrel maker. Like a cobbler would make shoes, or a blacksmith would make metal pieces and who made the podcast that run? Right now?

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Unknown
A Cooper is a barrel maker. So I house all of the fluids in wine, between my oak panels. But between you being a five producers and housing fluids, we should move on. But I'm saying you are a builder. You know what I mean? And it does in. Is it proven by anything? No. Is it easy to dispel as we went on set?

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Unknown
Of course. Should you listen to it based on what the guy's accomplished, who he is? Yeah. Don't dismiss it. I think it gets dismissed out of hand. Right. And that's my pension as well. But I actually think that that's why what you're doing, and I'm going to keep labeling it as maybe masculine, productive masculinity. And you couple with this and it makes it palatable.

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Unknown
And actually, I was reading your recent article right before this, and you didn't really go into anything woowoo as you're describing it. There was no astrology mentioned. No, there was in the article, but you talked about a really cool themes of of building up projects and working towards goals. And, you know, again, as I was saying, is as it puts you towards this motivational path, if it helps guide you as this northern star is this guiding light, then that's not a bad thing.

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Unknown
So you can help inspire men. That's been a really, really women to asking thing women to do. But yeah, that was the matter of falling behind, right? The average woman is more common, the Irish better. Now. It's a fact. But the thing that really caught me lately that I love so much, is the death of permission structures, right?

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Unknown
I'm not a huge authority guy. You've known me for a long time. I'm sure you've figured that out. Although when you were president of our fraternity in college, I did enjoy that. But most of the time, authority. Oil, water. So the permission structures. I was just like, populist leader. You're a very effective leader, is what you were saying.

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Unknown
The damn organization. But the permission structures in this world are dying out because. And that's one thing. The Kamala campaign got wrong. They thought it was still 2012. I can bring out Beyonce. I can bring out the celebrities. Thing is, we see them all day long on Instagram every, every. Anyway, it doesn't hit the same. The permission structures are dying.

00:17:40:15 - 00:17:55:10
Unknown
Look at the stuff I'm writing. I'm able to sign up to a website for free, publish things to subscribers, promote it. Yeah, 20 years ago I wanted to get these thoughts. I'd have to call up News Day if I was back on how this article is really good, I promise you. Okay bro, click. What was that guy's deal?

00:17:55:12 - 00:18:12:23
Unknown
And that's what's going out. And you see that with the people that got Trump elected, right. He had that masterstroke idea to go on to podcast and popular creators. Joe Rogan didn't ask anybody. He shows not on CBS. It's not HBO. He put it up on the internet, man. Same thing with these guys that Aiden Ross on the other side.

00:18:12:23 - 00:18:33:07
Unknown
We had Alex Cooper, who I admire, who had called her daddy. Yeah. All these people that usurped their permission structures. And that is why we saw from the establishment a total freak out. So they tried to mask it in virtue that, oh, I'm just so upset because of this. Because of that, you watch the view. All those ladies, I swear.

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Unknown
I mean, if I hadn't been down here and back in New York, I would have called in, like the biggest box of Valium to view what I was watching. And those ladies needed it. And we need to regulate social media. They want to regulate social media because it lets people grassroots, promote themselves. In Ross's Plate NBA two K in his mom's basement now is a household name.

00:18:51:17 - 00:19:08:03
Unknown
They want to have control over that because if you can control what people see and listen to, then you can put the screws to them. They'll only say they approve things. The fact that we're now in the Wild West, it freaks these people out because they don't have the chance to regulate you, to blackmail you, to tell you you got to play ball.

00:19:08:08 - 00:19:28:14
Unknown
No casting couch anymore. Just internet connection. Yeah. And that scares them. But for people that want to build and create and be a part of this new world, the death of that permission structure. God, it's beautiful. So does that play into the cancel culture mentality where you know if you go against the party line then you're going to be cast out right.

00:19:28:19 - 00:19:46:10
Unknown
For example if Alex Cooper went up there and really gave not a softball interview where they talked about abortion rights the whole time, if she really said, hey, Kamala, I need you to talk about the border. I need you to talk about your and experiences with the economy. She would have gotten crushed, right? Or if Joe Rogan started saying, you know, Trump, I'm not going to move on from the 2020 election.

00:19:46:10 - 00:20:02:16
Unknown
Things, you know, you got to talk to that he would not get crushed right? Right. Because there's two different audiences. Alice Cooper's audience are girls that subscribe to the establishment. Alice Cooper's audience are the girls that are like on a dating app. Well, before I see you, would you vote for Joe Rogan? Got the freethinkers on his side, so it's different.

00:20:02:18 - 00:20:27:10
Unknown
So Alice Cooper would be kind of be an exception, but in this case, the exception proves the rule, as it usually does in any analogy or situation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I would even push though that right. This, this Trump example on Rogan is also showing that there is this level of audience capture and this level of echo chamber where, I mean, it would come off as inauthentic if Joe Rogan was a big dick to Trump, obviously.

00:20:27:10 - 00:20:48:02
Unknown
Right. Or if Alex Cooper didn't buddy up with Kamala, it would destroy their trust in their own selves brands, because they obviously have to align with that person. I think that's what they are. I think Joe Rogan treated Donald Trump as he treats everybody else. He was talking to Joe Rogan the way you talked to Eddie Bravo about arm bars, or the way he talked to Kanye West about his creative process.

00:20:48:02 - 00:21:04:19
Unknown
I really see a difference in the way he spoke to him. Fair enough, fair enough. I guess my point in saying this would be that if that if there was maybe more of a stark example of the opposite, if Trump went on call her daddy, or if Kamala did end up going on Joe, which I called from day one, wasn't going to happen.

00:21:04:19 - 00:21:20:05
Unknown
I've listened to the guy every day for a decade. There was just no way he wanted to do it. She didn't want to do it. It wasn't gonna happen. But if they had bucked their audience and did something unexpected, it may have been productive for the listener. It may have been productive for uneducated voters of the other side.

00:21:20:09 - 00:21:39:18
Unknown
It may have been good for their own popularity to even get more clicks, but it would have alienated a lot of their audience. And that's something that we talk about a lot on this show. In fact, if if we came out and wanted to be shock jocks, where I was the right wing extremist and Mike was completely left off the rails, you know, we probably wouldn't find common ground.

00:21:39:18 - 00:21:58:09
Unknown
We'd probably get a lot more emotional every episode. And guess what? We probably get a lot more clicks. But because we're nuanced and pragmatic and able to kind of say, oh, I liked the interview, I like Trump, I like Joe Rogan, but I'm also able to think about it and say, hey, you know what? There were a couple instances where I wish Joe would have pushed back or, you know, but it wasn't a forum for that.

00:21:58:09 - 00:22:19:20
Unknown
I'm not disagreeing with you there. I guess my point is it's very easy to succumb to the audience capture, and I'm just going to weave it back into what we were talking about before. John. That's why I'm again, so impressed by what you write is because you're not really appealing to the typical, bro, right? You're not really appealing to the typical guy that is just trying to drink beers and hook up.

00:22:19:20 - 00:22:42:12
Unknown
Right? You're appealing to a guy that wants to better himself. You're appealing to a guy that's at a certain point in his life where he actually has a lot of things figured out, just wants to get on that path or that that get that energy to kind of execute on what he knows needs to happen. And you're bringing it to this element where people can have curiosity about these kind of sometimes considered out their theories, but can channel it in a positive way.

00:22:42:12 - 00:23:04:15
Unknown
And that that to me is extremely valuable because you're appreciate a guy like me where I don't really know anything about it. And if I listen to, hippie dippy TikTok girl, then I'm probably not going to resonate with her. But if I see your picture and I listen to your experiences and you talk about the Buffalo Bills and the NHL, I'm going to actually say, oh, wow, I'm interested in this guy.

00:23:04:15 - 00:23:31:13
Unknown
And if he thinks this is kind of interesting, maybe I'll think it's kind of interesting, right? That's why I wrote the plane spotting thing, because it starts out ridiculous. Yeah, the whole thing about taking a walk and looking at planes and using it as a way to train your mind and thinking about possibilities, that's all. I write these types of things and also what I wrote in the last one about this being the golden age for builders, because as I just went on about the permission structures are gone, it doesn't really matter which side of the aisle you're on and I don't care.

00:23:31:13 - 00:23:47:06
Unknown
I close with that. Frankly, I don't care who you vote for. I'd love to see what you built. Right. Beethoven wrote his Ninth Symphony as a tribute to him going deaf, and he was frustrated. It's not a happy piece. It doesn't matter the fact is, we're in a period now where everything's up, up, up. There's going to be funding available.

00:23:47:10 - 00:24:02:10
Unknown
Crypto, all of the above. You got to dream. Well, you're right left, up, down. Just go for it. Just go for it. Because it was easy to get lost in the noise and almost became a distraction. Yeah, it almost became a distraction for a lot of people. I can't do this because I can't do this because of why.

00:24:02:13 - 00:24:18:02
Unknown
Now all that stuff. If you're got one, go celebrate. Make it happen. If you're if you're girl lost. Okay, but now you have an environment at least like make your dreams come true, whether you like to admit it or not. So I go do that, you know. Yeah, I do hate a lot of the existential fear that you see coming from the left.

00:24:18:07 - 00:24:37:09
Unknown
It's not. It's unfounded. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You didn't see it in 2020. I mean, you definitely had this January 6th riot where you had people questioning the election, but I don't think that you had people that were, you know, maybe I'm on the wrong track here, but you didn't necessarily you did have people questioning the election.

00:24:37:13 - 00:24:57:05
Unknown
But yeah, you you it I don't know, you didn't have people on the right saying the world is going to end. Right. You had people saying that this guy is corrupt. We don't like him. This government style is not working. But you didn't hear that the world is going to end. And now that's every day. What you hear, whether it's climate, whether it's immigration, separating families.

00:24:57:13 - 00:25:16:14
Unknown
By the way, did you see the quote of the recently appointed, yeah. To put everybody together? Yeah. I think we can, avoid separating families. Families can be deported together. Tom Homan, what a that's a legendary comment I got. He went after, there there is issues with that, of course, but this goes back to the mental health episode that did.

00:25:16:14 - 00:25:33:05
Unknown
So many numbers are also got us in trouble a lot of ways. When I said that people and I listen, I've written about therapy and things like that struggle with depression. Like I'm not going to sit here and talk about to struggle with that. But I've also like screamed and kicked and done everything I could to make myself feel better, which is sort of where my writing comes from in my writing.

00:25:33:05 - 00:25:53:12
Unknown
If you haven't checked out, it's like, oh, I'm the man, I did this. I mean, I write about things that go wrong, left and right. Real estate deals die toward all pain killer shots on the send me to the grave. I write. It's real stuff. I write about this bumps in the road. But just like people maybe use a mental health thing as a crutch, they use a political climate as a crutch.

00:25:53:13 - 00:26:10:13
Unknown
Yeah. You know, and instead of like, okay, I have this golden. Even if I didn't vote for this golden environment to make things happen and push as hard as I can, although I feel threatened, why here? Here's a whole list of people that tell you that you're not threatened because your sexuality, your orientation, or your race and not just going to happen.

00:26:10:15 - 00:26:27:23
Unknown
Yeah, but I'm still said, you know, people really like baby that victim culture and saw love. That was a security blanket. And now we're in this meritocracy. What we start out with Ellen and Zach. They like the kings of meritocracy. Right. And yet neither of them I don't think we're born. Or maybe Zach was. Was he. Yes.

00:26:28:02 - 00:26:46:08
Unknown
Well, I think so, because he's if he was probably first generation. Yeah. But these guys, the American dream pure builders and they're showing to. Hey, does it really mean I look at Elon Musk? One of the most powerful things I saw about Elon Musk was when all of the NASA guys, the guys that went to space, were hating on him and he was crying about it.

00:26:46:08 - 00:27:05:11
Unknown
He said, those are my heroes. I hate everything I'm doing. But he still did it. He still got it done. That's the environment we're in. But the warmth and coziness of the virtue signaling I'm the victim security blanket is easier and infinitely more comfy than it is to go out there and be like, screw it, I'm going to take some lumps.

00:27:05:11 - 00:27:22:13
Unknown
I'm going to take my shot, you know? Yeah, well, I like that you tied in the mental health aspect of it, right? Talking about when you're not feeling up to it or you're feeling depressed about the circumstances, even in this case of the election is like geopolitics. I don't know how you could really have your own mental health affected by that.

00:27:22:15 - 00:27:43:15
Unknown
You know, it's a little bit extreme. But, as someone who has personally struggled with depression, it's very difficult, right? Because you say, here are the symptoms that I'm dealing with ABC. Right. And here are the logical steps that I take to exit the state x, Y, and z. But I can't do it right. And that's, that's the plague of what that depression is.

00:27:43:15 - 00:28:04:06
Unknown
So here's my question to you, John, is someone that likes to inspire people to build and write and create. If I, if if I were a person and I thank God that I'm not right now, but if I were a person that was struggling with writer's block or creator's block, and I said I knew I had to get on a schedule, I knew I had to get on this routine, or I had to just break through with one baby step.

00:28:04:08 - 00:28:20:13
Unknown
What would you say would be that first baby step for that person to take? If they wanted to be a content creator or a writer like somebody like we do two things. One, if you build up a whole schedule and start prepping and prepping, what you're going to do is build up what you're looking at as a tidal wave.

00:28:20:15 - 00:28:39:07
Unknown
There's my new routine. There's my new schedule. There's my broken down schedule hour by hour. Just put one foot in the com water. There's a video, you know, Tyson Fury, the boxer. Sure. So he talks about his struggle with depression, how he got wildly out of shape in between fights. And he said the first day I walked and I walked until I couldn't anymore.

00:28:39:10 - 00:28:55:10
Unknown
And I went home. The next day I walked a little further, and by the next week I was running, and by the next week I was right. Then I was doing my miles. Then I was back in the gym sparring. It's the same thing. Listen it. I've struggled with it too, where you just take those little baby steps and then this is actually kind of funny.

00:28:55:12 - 00:29:14:08
Unknown
I got a parenting TikTok recommended child and my for You page don't know why. And you're struggling with a lot of new dads. Yeah, that's what it is. Okay, I don't know if I want to know why I'm I don't know the number. I'm not picking up. But the thing is, it's like, say a child draw something, right?

00:29:14:08 - 00:29:31:11
Unknown
Like a child draws a picture and brings over to you. Do you like this? You're you're supposed to say you're a new dad. I'm making them teach you something new. You're supposed to say, I would imagine I have to say I like it to my own kid. No. Well, how do you feel about it? I do what their validation did come from themselves first.

00:29:31:11 - 00:29:44:21
Unknown
Okay, I love that. And then they go, I. You know, I really like it. I'm proud of it. Cool, man. I love it too. I think it's great. Tell me how you did this time. That. But it teaches them early on to become their source and validation before anybody else. And I think you're trying to get out of a hole.

00:29:44:23 - 00:30:00:14
Unknown
And this was something I've done too, because look, man, and I write all the time about it. I call it, immature macho bullshit. And in my blog, because I succumb to it, sometimes I, I wake up, make a million phone calls, working on real estate deals. I go to the gym for two hours. I come home like, oh, you do this.

00:30:00:14 - 00:30:16:07
Unknown
You didn't do that. Where there's just going to it's just going to tighten my body ups and type my mind up. Words get. Instead. Take a look in the mirror. Dude, you did so much today. You did so much today. And that's why I tell the person you're giving scenario. Go write three sentences and you're writing three sentences.

00:30:16:07 - 00:30:29:10
Unknown
Hold up in the mirror and be like, I wrote those three sentences. Those are my three sentences. It's why are you getting four? That's how it's going to happen, because you sit there, go. I wrote three sentences. I really should write in ten pack. You're going to burn. You can be up all night. You're going to be ruminating.

00:30:29:10 - 00:30:47:07
Unknown
No way. Baby steps with personal gratitude get you anywhere you want to go. And that's. And that's boots on the ground, man. That's just from me telling you that. That's helped me out. Well, tell the other side of the story, because you were telling me earlier this week how you wrote an entire article and then did went with it, the digital version of ripping up to shreds.

00:30:47:09 - 00:31:05:12
Unknown
He deleted it, Because it was actually going back to immature mojo B.S., I think I think we like, flipped the laptop, but, who's that lady from Real Housewives of New Jersey with, like, the Thanksgiving dinner table? You know, it's kind of what we did. I cook it, I just I didn't like it. I've always said writing articles is a bit like shooting a basketball.

00:31:05:12 - 00:31:25:10
Unknown
You know, if it's good the moment it comes off your hand. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't like it. It felt forced. I was like, your on. It's just not like it's not pretty. Like, let, let it flow then just deleted it all. And then I waited. And I think writing, much like many other great things in this world, is just something that I think it's just better when it's late at night.

00:31:25:10 - 00:31:40:12
Unknown
The sun is down. It can't happen during the day. I see these guys wake up early and write first two hours a day. I mean, that's great. You can do it. I do the last two, but I wait until it was something that I read and was like, if I was an impartial third party, I'd want to read this instead of I just churn some of the aftermath of it.

00:31:40:14 - 00:32:02:06
Unknown
Yeah, well, everybody has their own writing. Your style sounds maybe more, Hunter S Thompson reminiscent if you're doing it late at night. Yeah, but that would probably require pairing it with some other items as well. Yeah. I think that writing beyond providing value to the reader provides immense value to the writer as well. Probably more so.

00:32:02:08 - 00:32:20:14
Unknown
Fair enough. Right. There are many times where, I find that I'm trying to write about something, whether even it's just a one single tweet, a tweet thread or full article or writing a script for a podcast. You know, I'll find that I can either be really proud of it or really not proud of it. And I find my my own harshest critic.

00:32:20:19 - 00:32:43:03
Unknown
But to that same token of where that would make me upset, there are also many times where I kind of get my feelings organized. If I'm trying to teach this new topic to somebody else, I might be able to hammer my way through it with my voice and talking to them. But if I wanted to, like, write down instructions on how to do something or how to follow this information, you know, I've got to become the expert on it.

00:32:43:03 - 00:33:03:15
Unknown
And that process of writing it down is how I really cement that. Yeah, the same is true for emotion, right? If you feel very strongly about something, oftentimes at work, I'll write an email and I'll just purposely delete it and close it, and I'll reread it the next day and probably chop out all of the very emotionally charged stuff that was making me upset that day, of course.

00:33:03:15 - 00:33:20:08
Unknown
So it's a great release as well, and I'm sure that you felt that as well. It's what gives you energy. If being creative gives you energy, you got to be more creative. You got to do it. There's never a time I read an article and the next morning I have this terrible morning. You know, if things go awry in other avenues of life, I'm like, I'm publishing at 915.

00:33:20:08 - 00:33:39:05
Unknown
Like I feel good. It's an antidote because it's an agreement with who you are, what you're doing. You don't have to write. If you're, like, watching this podcast right now, it's like, do I have to write drafts, creative subsectors, anything you can do, you can like crochet if you want to. You can make music if you want to, whatever it is that aligns with who you are, especially in an increased digitized world.

00:33:39:08 - 00:33:55:19
Unknown
Listen. And I love TikTok and I think digital creation is the best. And we've had some conversations about maybe avenues adapt. The worst thing you can do is you can't. Okay, you need to be putting something into the ether yourself, whether it's something that you publish or you stick on camera for everybody to see who knows where it goes.

00:33:55:19 - 00:34:16:23
Unknown
Maybe half a million people are actually in, or it's just you make a little something and it sits on on your nightstand. It's again, to make this full circle, what do you think of this picture? What do you think of that picture? Yeah, I love that you. I am going to write that down for my own parenting, because know as soon as my kid can talk or produce something, I'm doing it.

00:34:16:23 - 00:34:50:17
Unknown
Flip the script on him. That that is very, very important. I mentioned before that I'm my own harshest critic. I have gotten the best creative outlet from this podcast, not really from setting up the studio or getting on the camera or even the topics. That's more educational, but it's not so much creative in my opinion, but just something so simple as making the thumbnails for the YouTube videos has been really cathartic for me, and that I get to hang out while I'm watching a movie or TV on my computer and mess around with a couple different options and images and colors.

00:34:50:17 - 00:35:08:01
Unknown
And that's the kind of stuff that I really like. You were saying, it really energizes me. And you know who is on to something, you know, who's like, I would say forefather, but it's not a man. Remember Marie Kondo? Oh, yeah. The, organization girl. Does this bring you joy? Yeah. She was on to something, man.

00:35:08:03 - 00:35:34:12
Unknown
Again? Yeah. Do you think Marie Kondo agrees with us? If she's either still with us or how old she is? You do this, dude. I don't know, man. I don't. I'm trying. Because that was, like, two years ago. Yeah. Probably should have been, like, 95 years old. I don't know. Fair enough. Yes, that's true actually. My point being is that she's probably not into, like, drinking raw milk and doing like drop sets of incline bench, but we can borrow from her and make yourself a whole human.

00:35:34:14 - 00:35:55:04
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, well, it's being well-rounded, being, open to new experiences, being open minded to new ways of thinking. And then having those opinions, having those, having the confidence to put yourself out there with your opinions and putting your face behind them. Yeah. There's two more things that I want to talk about and get your take on for top notch.

00:35:55:16 - 00:36:28:15
Unknown
So the first is anonymous accounts and accounts that remain anonymous because they sometimes maybe talk about racial stuff or they talk about, foreign affairs and things like that. Right. So they remain anonymous. Do you feel that those people are hiding behind anonymity because they're saying things that are they know are too provocative? For example, there's an account on X called The Rabbit Hole, and they famously talk a lot every day about Dei and the problems with it.

00:36:28:17 - 00:36:51:00
Unknown
And they famously have responded back and forth many times with Mark Cuban when he was kind of championing this prior to the election. And my impression was, you know, if this account, the Rabbit Hole is posting these facts and figures on these verified statistics, why would they feel in danger of being let go by their employer? Why would they feel in danger of.

00:36:51:00 - 00:37:13:18
Unknown
They probably would, you know, probably would be like, especially before things took a positive turn. Well, you're saying that Trump came in, but I would actually I would disagree with you. I mean, I have a feeling that most corporations, companies even like government, they're very understanding and of free speech and online, you know, for example, might the company I work for, the policy is that you don't tie yourself to the company.

00:37:13:19 - 00:37:36:17
Unknown
We're not going to look at what you're doing. And okay, I haven't I don't have ever said what company I work for. But the truth is right that that's that's it's separate. It's not affecting my work. So are you saying is it cowardice to be anonymous? I am asking that. Yeah, I would say, listen, we tend to criticize or be perplexed by things either we can't do or we don't understand.

00:37:36:19 - 00:37:51:00
Unknown
I'm not athletic guy. I go to NBA game. What you do dunk from the salon? I can't do that shit, dude, okay I can't I'm watch them. Like, well, how does he do that? Some people don't want to be in front of the camera. Some people don't want their face out there. And it's not for OpSec. It's not for the security of it.

00:37:51:00 - 00:38:13:07
Unknown
It's just they're very comfortable with the value they provide, especially people that are comfortable with numbers and facts and figures. Those are usually the more introverted types. So somebody like that is like, let me provide those out of here, but I want my privacy too. So we, as the consumers of the information, have two choices, either in this guy, eyes behind the screen, calls himself whenever he calls himself, and we get to use the information or he doesn't and we don't get it.

00:38:13:09 - 00:38:32:04
Unknown
If someone's greatest contributions have to come through a veil, is that as noble and admirable as it is for your face out there? Of course not. If that's the only option, how they feel comfortable? We have to be open to that. Yeah. Fair enough. I mean, I also see the side of it. I wrote on X today that I'm the devil's advocate embodied so I can pick any side to it.

00:38:32:06 - 00:38:51:19
Unknown
Yeah, I think you might be onto something there, but it's it's kind of a cool term, I think. But, it is the truth is, right, that I also see the benefit of it in that when you're sharing an idea, if you have a personality attached to it, you can dismiss the idea based on your preconceived notions of that personality or that individual.

00:38:51:23 - 00:39:10:08
Unknown
When you have an idea that's being pushed by an anonymous account or it's just purely a data point, then it is just that, a data point, and you cannot tie the identity to it. But but of course, the counter side argument with that would be why is the reason that you're not doing it right. And oh, it's my work again.

00:39:10:08 - 00:39:27:00
Unknown
I just I don't know that I find something by the end. The invasion of privacy. Dude. Well you're right. Listen. And there was an example. I'm in another community of, dads and podcasters, and one of them agreed with what you're saying, and he shared experiences how he was doxed and people actually did show up to his house or started calling his work.

00:39:27:00 - 00:39:42:21
Unknown
And I get it, you know, I get it. And that's also like crypto is massively anon. Dude, if some I'm in crypto discord, some dude comes in, hey man, throw money in this and it goes up to I really care that I don't know who he is. He makes green calls. Keep it calm. Oh God, I don't know.

00:39:42:21 - 00:40:06:03
Unknown
I don't follow coins. I only do the bitcoin and that's the example holds water. She was, anonymous. So listen, I get it. I get it again. An example holds water. If you can back up your anonymity with competency. Yeah then so be it. And you know what frankly also the into that point as well. The anon accounts they do build accountability.

00:40:06:03 - 00:40:35:11
Unknown
They do build rapport by continuing to have the same voice. So yeah, it does become an identity. It does become a brand or an individual. And so, I guess it's not it doesn't discredit the fact, but it does in my opinion. In my opinion, it does show that that person may not actually feel as strongly as they do or as they claim to feel about that topic, because if they did feel so strongly, then they might be willing to go through those consequences if they're, you don't know, kind of personal hang up staff, what is the second?

00:40:35:11 - 00:40:51:21
Unknown
What is the second thing you want to ask me? The second thing was about specifically building. And actually it ties into this conversation of posting on X, because this is another thing I tweeted about today. And you know, I'm not I'm really not talking about anyone in particular. If they're listening here. But there are there's this massive wave.

00:40:51:21 - 00:41:11:16
Unknown
Ever since the revenue checks were released on Twitter of posting your earnings statement and, you know, uplifting everyone and I'm not accusing any single person, truly, not one person who posted their payout as Braggadocious. I didn't see it that way. I don't see it that way. I'm happy for those people that made 100, 200, 500 multi thousand dollars.

00:41:11:16 - 00:41:30:15
Unknown
I really am and I hope that I can learn from them to get similar checks. But here's the difference. I do think that those checks cap out at a certain value, right? Not everybody is going to be Tiffany Fong getting $16,000 in two weeks. Not everybody is going to be Penny two times getting 6 or $7000 every month.

00:41:30:17 - 00:41:54:19
Unknown
That's a livable wage. Livable earnings income, you know, definitely. Tiffany, maybe Penny needs a little bit more. But the truth is that at that level now, you can devote full time. My comment is going to be that these creators, quote unquote, that are going around showing their $100, $200, $300 payout. Again, I'm happy for them, but what have they really built?

00:41:54:21 - 00:42:16:01
Unknown
What have they really built to say, oh, I'm tweeting about the algorithm every day. I'm tweeting about my metrics. I'm tweeting about how many comments and likes I get and that will lead us to better figure out this monetization scheme. And to me, this is like, but what did you build? But what did you provide? It was they get the engagement, the interaction.

00:42:16:03 - 00:42:37:17
Unknown
Clearly they struck some sort of chord. I do you get asked that question across. Did you see these kids screaming into their cameras on stream, playing video games with 200,000 people in the chat? What are they really building? Well, so how does something but if one of those kids got banned tomorrow from Kik, which happens all the time, or whatever it is right then they don't really have something to fall back on.

00:42:37:17 - 00:42:52:19
Unknown
So I guess they do have their their community. Is that because it's being built the community? So your initial impression though, just based on how you respond to that, was like, I don't agree with you, Cooper. I don't think that they're necessarily wasting time or energy. I think that that's a productive way to build a community, and it's valid.

00:42:52:21 - 00:43:17:10
Unknown
I didn't say so much. It's a productive way to build the community. Depends what they're doing. Clearly, things were done right again to cross the aisle. It's like when people hate AOC. Oh, she's an idiot. She's this she got herself elected. There's some marketing intelligence there. There's some smarts there. At the end of the day, if someone's garnering attention, getting eyeballs on you is a skill you can't just think skills is hard skills right.

00:43:17:10 - 00:43:36:04
Unknown
Oh you can read write whatever. You can sing, dance, act. If you can garner attention you can get people to follow you. Farm engagement, low engagement, farming's got old currency and he needs to crack down on that. But that is in and of itself, maybe a talent. That's why Alex or Mosey, who you and I enjoy so much, is always talking about scraping emails.

00:43:36:04 - 00:43:55:08
Unknown
Get take your community, get them somewhere else, get them talking. Sell to them. I mean, are these people that are truly out the algorithm and tweeting good morning with a smiley face and getting $6,000 every two weeks from Twitter. Are they thinking in these grand machinations and these start up business plans? Probably not. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised and be wrong.

00:43:55:10 - 00:44:07:08
Unknown
Yeah, but at the end of the day, there is some sort of skill there. If you're writing it right, it I mean, you can say the same thing about the first time I ever came on here and we talked about OnlyFans. Yeah, man. Well, what's that on your 27? You're not sexy anymore. I don't know. You better. Yeah.

00:44:07:09 - 00:44:36:19
Unknown
I hope you bought a few rental properties. Call me if you need. What? I can help you I out? Yeah. Woodhouse. Well, I think, you know, maybe what I'm about to say is a testament to my ability to change my mind. That I actually think that just your couple sentences right there did change my mind. Because maybe as I self-reflect on my comment earlier today saying, what have you really built really building that community, building that audience, building those friendships in those networks that that is the goal of this podcast of anything.

00:44:36:21 - 00:44:59:18
Unknown
And maybe I am just bitter and not able to see it from that other point of view. So I do maybe I see it a little differently. You're building a larger community, though. Yeah, well, we're trying and it's cool to have, guys like you and our guest, Jeremy Adams, who decided he reached out to us and asked to come back on, we we I got called out by name in a, dandy dunking video.

00:44:59:20 - 00:45:21:07
Unknown
Let's get out. He said that I supported Flint improperly, and I edited his face in, and I addressed that in, a podcast that I appeared on, or will appear on in the coming weeks. So that video will come out. Dan and I issue a statement to you. And why do you have this access to these people and can grow like this, that information structures are gone is beautiful cool.

00:45:21:07 - 00:45:38:11
Unknown
Yeah. Free market. We're free to roll. Take advantage. I don't care if you're sad that come of us I don't care. You get to build to. We don't judge. Go for it. Yeah. And build in that way that supports your ideals. You know be authentic. I think that's really the main takeaway. And, try to create something that is innovative.

00:45:38:11 - 00:45:55:11
Unknown
You know, John, that's that's exactly what you've done. I think Mike and I, we've tried to build something here that's innovative. It's a little different. It's. Yeah. Features both sides. And neither of us try to be extreme. We try to be. And what you've done is you've melded two worlds that traditionally don't come together to inspire a lot of people.

00:45:55:11 - 00:46:15:12
Unknown
You know, you appreciate that. But many of the, the white monster, sometimes it was originally designed for girls, but God too. I love that drink. Why? Buster is pretty good. Cardiologist approved. Yes, yes, I doubt that's the case, but, Yeah. Hey, man, I'm really grateful. Why don't you tell people where, they can find you? Where's your platform?

00:46:15:12 - 00:46:35:18
Unknown
What's the name of your stuff? All right. Finding John and Body 28, Joe and AB 828 on Twitter or whatever on Instagram too. Pretty active on Instagram. Both the real estate of my creative stuff. And then John from Long Island on Substack host about once a week trying out that. But I love to talk to people, love to information out.

00:46:35:20 - 00:46:51:07
Unknown
I love to come be a guest in all their thoughts. Yeah. Try me. Cool. Hey John, thank you again. And this has been elevated thoughts.